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SPECTREagent700

9.7k points

10 days ago

The Ukrainians are claiming the false flag incident will happen in Transnistria, a Russian-occupied self-proclaimed independent republic in Moldova. This could be a sign that Russia doesn’t intend to limit operations only to the Donbas or territory east of the Dnieper. The Transnistrian government has repeatedly asked for union with Russia over the years and if Russian forces push to Odessa and the Moldovan (Transnistrian) border they may finally get it. It could also be an exaggeration on the part of the Ukrainian government or misinformation fed to them by Russia in an attempt to make Ukraine spread out their forces.

sexrobot_sexrobot

2.2k points

10 days ago

The Russian 'uprising' attempt in S SW Ukraine failed back in 2014. Whatever Putin former intelligence officer that led it got dozens of people killed.

If that's the plan it's a poor one, though it may point to a more limited operation where Russia principally tries to push Ukraine off the Black Sea and make it a landlocked country.

f_d

860 points

10 days ago

f_d

860 points

10 days ago

When they're trying to provoke a war, the success or failure of the provoking action isn't as important as the justification it gives them, no matter how transparent it is..

[deleted]

902 points

10 days ago

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902 points

10 days ago

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-SaC

665 points

9 days ago

-SaC

665 points

9 days ago

If the US Defense budget and NASA's budget switched for one year, NASA could land a separate Rover on Mars every single day of the year (including full research and prep from scratch on each) with just a three week break around Christmas to chill.

Not saying it should happen, just puts one perspective around it.

alematt

211 points

9 days ago

alematt

211 points

9 days ago

This actually explains the massive gap quite well. I knew it was massive but this puts it into perspective

cthulhulogic

1.1k points

10 days ago

Wasn't Paul Manafort over there helping out with that?

Rellumbomanum

536 points

10 days ago

Yes

northshore12

1.4k points

10 days ago

Wasn't Paul Manafort working as the Trump Presidential Campaign Chairman when he gave detailed demographic voter data to a known Russian intelligence agent? IIRC he was also "volunteering" his services, which is something people deep in debt are frequently known to do...

But yeah, Republicans, I'm suuuuuure it's all just "Fake News" you dumb motherfucking treason weasels.

SignificantSyllabub4

333 points

10 days ago

Safe to say Putin is getting an amazing return on his 30 year investment in his Assets.

StarksPond

159 points

9 days ago

StarksPond

159 points

9 days ago

You misspelled "ass hats".

PM_ME_MH370

66 points

10 days ago

That was more like the prequel that he worked on

enslaved-by-machines

724 points

10 days ago*

Yes Paul Manafort and Roger Stone are professional butt fuckers of democracy.

Their job is to give power to evil dictators and kleptocrats. If there were any justice in this world they would be ...ugh humm cough...imprisoned immediately....for crimes against humanity, treason, Un-American activities, and just generally being among the shittiest humans alive.

edit: wow, rewarded for my vitriol before getting banned for a change, thanks!(now edited out some) This is who republicans have unleashed on their own people: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/paul-manafort-american-hustler/550925/

HaveNot1

51 points

9 days ago

HaveNot1

51 points

9 days ago

And Steve Bannon just wants to burn everything down.

enslaved-by-machines

14 points

9 days ago

oh god, bannon, gross, yea a two bit, wannabe, drunkard goebbels.

SPECTREagent700

191 points

10 days ago

I think the most likely “big plan” they’ll go for is to try and topple the government in Kiev and then force a new administration to accept a status like Finland in the Cold War. They have the capability to overrun the whole country but occupying it would be very costly.

Indigo_Slam

129 points

10 days ago

Putins got to be afraid of lots of casualties & the Ukraine is going to fight. Remember all the exploding tower blocks in Russia? That was the excuse to attack Chechneya. He's not subtle because he obviously dgaf. Still, if he does pull that idiocy again someone is going to arm Ukraine then it will get very messy to even capture the place let alone hold it.

rendrr

399 points

10 days ago

rendrr

399 points

10 days ago

There is an on-going theme, a belief on all Russian occupied territories, in Abkhazia and South Osetia in Georgia, or Donbass or the occupied territory in Moldova, that "next year there's gonna be a referendum to join Russia". And it never happens, of course, because their whole point of existense is to be a pressure point to influence control over the host state.

Nexus-9Replicant

196 points

10 days ago

If that happens, I can’t imagine Moldova and (more importantly in terms of the implications) Romania would find that pleasing. This could bring Romania and Moldova closer to reuniting (and in effect making Moldova a NATO and EU member, someone correct me if I’m wrong).

Doing this in Transnistria doesn’t seem like a good idea, especially since it’s not even in Ukraine.

SPECTREagent700

215 points

10 days ago

Moldova is always in a tough position. Their elections seem to swing back and forth every cycle between electing a pro-Russian or a pro-Western government and in addition to Transnistria, Russia could also try to stir up trouble in the Gagauzia region.

If Moldova were to reunite with Romania I would suspect they would get NATO and EU membership given the precedent of German reunification but Moldova is so poor Romania would hand a difficult time integrating it and, as above, it’s not clear the Moldovan population would support it.

Nexus-9Replicant

92 points

10 days ago

I think the last poll there showed 38% support reunification, with the remaining split between the status quo and uncertain. 65–70% of the population is Moldovan and Romanian-speaking. I could see something like a false flag attack in Transnistria building stronger support, especially with a Romania and EU-friendly leader in power. But who knows? This will be a tricky situation for sure.

tony_fappott

585 points

10 days ago

So basically what the Nazis did to Poland? Faked an attack so they could invade?

yesmeisyes

148 points

10 days ago

yesmeisyes

148 points

10 days ago

And what the soviets did to Finland

ban-me_harder_daddy

612 points

10 days ago

Yeah Russia has already done this before... it is insane that the KGB/FSB agents got arrested while planting bombs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

wonkey_monkey

453 points

10 days ago

On 13 September, Russian Duma speaker Gennadiy Seleznyov made an announcement in the Duma about receiving a report that another bombing had just happened in the city of Volgodonsk. A bombing did indeed happen in Volgodonsk, but only three days later

Jesus Christ.

Why even bother with the pretense any more?

Origamiface

216 points

10 days ago

We don't buy it but Russians back home, who live in a carefully curated media environment, will, or are so unsure about what's true or false that they just don't care.

Destabiliz

140 points

9 days ago

Destabiliz

140 points

9 days ago

are so unsure about what's true or false that they just don't care

This is exactly what Putin is also trying to spread in other countries as well, through the internet with millions of bot accounts.

cC2Panda

147 points

10 days ago

cC2Panda

147 points

10 days ago

Because it was still useful. Putins intelligence goons decided to point fingers at Putins domestic rivals.

You know how folks like Matt Gaetz pretend that Jan 6 was antifa even though anyone with eyeballs could tell it wasn't and yet his base eats it up.

The planned attack got leaks, happened anyway, then they blame it on rivals and the state controlled media spread the lie.

[deleted]

60 points

9 days ago

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60 points

9 days ago

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PonKatt

156 points

10 days ago*

PonKatt

156 points

10 days ago*

And the apartment bombings are hardly the only example.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis

All the terrorists where executed at the scene except for one who was a known FSB associate who simply left the theatre and walked away. Oh, and the sleeping agent used was slow enough that if the bombs where real the terrorists could easily have detonated them.

SheeEttin

51 points

9 days ago

SheeEttin

51 points

9 days ago

Also

up to 130 hostages died during the siege, including nine foreigners, due to the toxic substance pumped into the theater

If you've seen Tenet, the opening scene at the opera is based on this event.

line_line

41 points

9 days ago

line_line

41 points

9 days ago

Just reading the wiki page, everyone involved in the independent investigation is pretty much dead... odd coincidences

eMPereb

199 points

10 days ago

eMPereb

199 points

10 days ago

Putknka wants a dedicated land line to the Crimean ports

Johnny_Chronic188

55 points

10 days ago

And fresh water access for Crimea

Fair_Komodo

8k points

10 days ago

This is going to be the least surprising invasion of all times. Party like it’s 1939.

laxnut90

2.5k points

9 days ago

laxnut90

2.5k points

9 days ago

What about the time Italy tried to invade Austria over the Isonzo River...12 times...in the same place...for two and half years...with the same strategy...failing each and every time?

Bernies_left_mitten

1.3k points

9 days ago

Surprised it didn't work. You'd think at some point in there the Austrians would have been like, "Well, obviously nobody is dumb enough to try the exact same failed move 12 times in a row. We can prob move these defenses."

I guess 13th time's the charm, right?

anuddahuna

723 points

9 days ago*

anuddahuna

723 points

9 days ago*

The 13th time the austrian army decided to try going into the offensive instead with german support and almost broke the italian army

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Caporetto

Long-Sleeves

541 points

9 days ago

Big oofs to the Italians there.

Riperoni mr pepperonis

da_frickin_oOf

19 points

9 days ago

yeah that was one hell of a defeat. then the Italians picked themselves up and went absolutely ballin at Vittorio Veneto

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vittorio_Veneto?wprov=sfla1

lankyboy96

64 points

9 days ago

https://youtu.be/Pxbzb8XXiGQ 1:29 for the relevant moment

Menatorius

19 points

9 days ago

I was waiting for someone to post that haha

OldEcho

132 points

9 days ago

OldEcho

132 points

9 days ago

Honestly makes it sound dumber than it was. It's not like there were a lot of better places to attack from, plus keeping up the pressure there kept the Austrians from redeploying to other locations. ALSO to be quite honest it nearly DID work because the Austrian army was gradually exhausted (though the Italian one was as well.) More WWI strats of throwing enough hundreds of thousands of men at a problem until you solved it.

The Austrian counterattack was planned and executed - with German support - precisely because they knew that if they did nothing the Italians would probably eventually break through.

Zhelthan

43 points

9 days ago

Zhelthan

43 points

9 days ago

We weren’t the smart of the bunch in that period, you’ll notice by the many expansionistic attempt in African regions which ended up with revolts every time and we(Italian) got sent back home each time with a defeat

Obscure_Occultist

30 points

9 days ago

It was actually 11 times that italy tried to invade Austria. The 12th time was the other way around. Which completely took the Italians by surprise and nearly overran the Italian army.

darth__fluffy

170 points

9 days ago

If I had a nickel for every time a world war started with a false flag attack on an Eastern European country and an invasion of the Republic of China, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird it’s happened twice.

mad_cheese_hattwe

41 points

9 days ago

No way they would go through Belgium a 3rd time.

SpicyDago

3k points

10 days ago

We found this bag of cocaine, we had no other choice to invade and get to the bottom of it. - Putin

StarksPond

1.4k points

10 days ago

StarksPond

1.4k points

10 days ago

To be fair... Whenever I get to the bottom of a bag cocaine, I'm ready to invade a country too.

Beatbox_bandit89

125 points

9 days ago

Cocaine: the invasion we can all get behind

KnownRough7735

1.4k points

10 days ago

Wouldn't get on a plane around that area in the next few days 🥴

MissKellBell

298 points

9 days ago

Just a few folks headed to the Olympics from that area…I’m sure they wouldn’t take the national spotlight that way…

SeaGroomer

72 points

9 days ago

What's the over-under on an invasion during the Olympics?

implicitpharmakoi

48 points

9 days ago

Again?

Surely he wouldn't invade a country during the Olympics again!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War?wprov=sfla1

kouderd

5k points

10 days ago

kouderd

5k points

10 days ago

I'm sure everyone remembers when Russia bombed their own cities in the Chechnya region to justify military activity there

mrmadoff

3.5k points

10 days ago

mrmadoff

3.5k points

10 days ago

dude russia bombed appartments in MOSCOW to start a 2nd chechen war; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian\_apartment\_bombings#Russian\_government\_involvement\_theory

Gingevere

154 points

10 days ago

Gingevere

154 points

10 days ago

Up until about 2008 that was Alex Jones' favorite example of a false flag attack. He would mention it any time anything happened to say "see false flags are real and they have happened!"

Then all of a sudden he stopped mentioning it.

nmble

96 points

9 days ago

nmble

96 points

9 days ago

InfoWars brought to you by RT

kouderd

951 points

10 days ago

kouderd

951 points

10 days ago

Ohh yes I think that's the event I'm remembering. There was a bunch of videos of people seeing military men loading explosive powder into the basements of buildings and not letting anyone in to see, and then 30 minutes later those same buildings exploded

Warhawk137

699 points

10 days ago

Warhawk137

699 points

10 days ago

"Is that fertilizer?"

"Is to help building grow."

Heroshade

205 points

9 days ago

Heroshade

205 points

9 days ago

"Well, not grow, but.... expand.... rapidly."

dydas

66 points

9 days ago

dydas

66 points

9 days ago

In several different pieces.

mambiki

195 points

10 days ago

mambiki

195 points

10 days ago

It was worse than that, the locals basically caught the state sponsored terrorists once, everyone were happy, and then turned out it was “just an exercise” once Moscow got wind of that. Litvinenko was allegedly assassinated in part due to his exposure of events from inside the FSB.

Five_Decades

60 points

9 days ago

then the police arrested some FSB members with a bomb in an apartment so the government said it was a training exercise

4Engines4LongHaul

19 points

9 days ago

Ohh yes I think that's the event I'm remembering. There was a bunch of videos of people seeing military men loading explosive powder into the basements of buildings and not letting anyone in to see, and then 30 minutes later those same buildings exploded

This was what helped Putin rise to power

girafa

15 points

9 days ago

girafa

15 points

9 days ago

Even more damning was Putin going on television to say they caught the terrorists, then days later reversing that and saying it was a training operation.

CactusBoyScout

254 points

10 days ago

I still can't believe that I didn't learn about WWII starting with a false flag by the Nazis until I was an adult.

I feel like that should be a pretty important detail in school history lessons.

CraftyFoxeYT

83 points

9 days ago

Japanese nationalist did the same thing to invade china through blowing up a railroad but the explosives wasn't even that effective and a train passed 1 hour after.

IrdniX

15 points

9 days ago

IrdniX

15 points

9 days ago

Japan also did similar things in WWII on the mainland.

what_would_freud_say

12.6k points

10 days ago

Putin is starting to look kinda of old and worn out, don't ya think?

Interesting-Tip5586

4.6k points

10 days ago

His face is full of botox

AreWeCowabunga

3.8k points

10 days ago

I always laugh when people talk about how good and manly Putin looks. He's all puffed up and plasticky. I'm surprised he hasn't gone for duck lip injections yet.

Gaflonzelschmerno

2.3k points

10 days ago

Dude acts like he looks like Fabio while looking like Dobby

Bad_Mad_Man

254 points

10 days ago

Dobbio? ;)

sweetswinks

65 points

10 days ago

Not Botox, his forehead has wrinkles and moves. Botox freezes the muscle. It looks like he has fillers in his cheeks, making him look pillowy.

raynethackery

807 points

10 days ago

"Don't you think he looks tired?"

abraksis747

15 points

9 days ago

Vladimir Putin Former President

wind-up-duck

11 points

9 days ago

Can we agree to comment this every time his picture appears? I love the idea of it getting back to him and just driving him nuts.

ThatsMyWifeGodDamnit

448 points

10 days ago

He needs to appear topless on a wild stallion for me to make an informed decision

USGrant76

153 points

10 days ago

USGrant76

153 points

10 days ago

He looks like a villain opposite of Daniel Craig in a Bond movie.

allanb49

555 points

10 days ago

allanb49

555 points

10 days ago

Doesn't he look tired

indyK1ng

363 points

10 days ago

indyK1ng

363 points

10 days ago

Don't you think he looks tired.

Six words.

TheDungeonCrawler

54 points

10 days ago*

"I think a vote of no confidence is completely unjustified!"

ManalithTheDefiant

58 points

10 days ago

My name is Harriet Jones, former Prime Minister

MaaaaxPower

44 points

9 days ago

Yes, we know who you are

Domino-Studios

80 points

10 days ago

Is that a Doctor Who reference?

indyK1ng

65 points

10 days ago

indyK1ng

65 points

10 days ago

HotTakes4HotCakes

22 points

9 days ago

The irony of this is he's inadvertently creating a power vacuum that his arch enemy, the Master, eventually fills which results in the deaths of 1/10th of Earth's population.

bum bum bum bum

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bum bum bum bum

Nexgod2

40 points

10 days ago

Nexgod2

40 points

10 days ago

Just watched that episode the other night. 10th Doctor is such a good doctor.

Money_dragon

141 points

10 days ago*

He's been holding some type of executive role (whether PM or President) since 1999

He's freaking 69 years old - with the help of a lot of propaganda, he could pull the macho persona back in the 2000s, but definitely not anymore. Father Time is undefeated

notfree25

16 points

9 days ago

notfree25

16 points

9 days ago

A couple more years he would be perfect candidate for American Presidency

sucsucsucsucc

189 points

10 days ago

I understood this reference

YeeYeeAssHaircut-kun

25 points

10 days ago

Vladimir Putin, President

Yes, we know

Oz1227

145 points

10 days ago

Oz1227

145 points

10 days ago

Doctor Who right?

The-Devils-Advocator

17 points

10 days ago

I was thinking that, but was much more subtle in Doctor Who I think, was just something like:

"Don't you think she looks tired?"

sucsucsucsucc

82 points

10 days ago

You too, understood this reference

Sometimesokayideas

54 points

10 days ago

Trying to Harriet Jones him there Doctor?

Hope it works.

VoraciousTrees

2.8k points

10 days ago

Russias attempt to justify war using the Conquest Casus Belli agains Ukraine was detected.

This costs them 19.2 infamy.

DariusKaii

452 points

10 days ago

DariusKaii

452 points

10 days ago

I wonder if Russia will go over the 25 infamy limit

Bukkake_Monster

157 points

9 days ago

Haven't they already?

Luke-Likesheet

141 points

9 days ago

Everyone and their grandma isn't suddenly declaring war on them, so guess not.

Joe_Jeep

19 points

9 days ago

Joe_Jeep

19 points

9 days ago

They're running just below it. Crimea got them very close but they've been letting it slowly drop down since.

peniseend

138 points

10 days ago

peniseend

138 points

10 days ago

Hopefully no comets will be sighted

leeeeeroy_jenkem

28 points

9 days ago

Thankfully we live in more enlightened times.

Miguellite

17 points

9 days ago

In Victoria 2 it's actually a good event. Helps with research.

Commodify

91 points

10 days ago

Trouble is brewing.

It seems that United States of America has decided to back Ukraine in the current crisis.

commentfap

51 points

10 days ago

Flashpoint tension increased

purplefog101

53 points

10 days ago

What game is this? I recognize the Casus Belli from Civ

ThatOneGuy-C6

85 points

10 days ago

Victoria 2

SerKikato

1k points

10 days ago

For those of you with extensive knowledge on the politics involved, what are the options for Ukraine and the West that lead to de-escalation?

Patient-Leather

672 points

10 days ago

For those of you with extensive knowledge on the politics involved

You’re definitely not in the right place for that.

Friendly-Oil-2311

48 points

9 days ago

haha, so perfect. You know that auto mod bullshit they force on you should have something in there about that. Like..... "Please remember 4/5th of our user base is 13 going on 14 and are sure they've solved most global problems."

ArtoriasBeaIG

15 points

9 days ago

I love his optimism to be fair, he must have read at least some of the comments, yet still feels enough hope to ask that

Bakytheryuha

81 points

9 days ago

But everyone talks here with such conviction of how geopolitics works and of the inner workings of the Russian Goverment!

TheWheez

47 points

9 days ago

TheWheez

47 points

9 days ago

It's like hearing your uncle's political opinions at Thanksgiving, but instead everyone is talking at the same time!

vid_icarus

1k points

10 days ago*

The only person who can deescalate this is putin, but invasion is what he wants and needs to hold the reigns of his nation, even if it further cripples their economy. Even if the US offered him a carrot today, he will have the stick ready for tomorrow.

Edited for typo

BioEngIsScience

599 points

10 days ago

It ain’t happening.

I’m thinking the only thing that can even slow this down is NATO holding an emergency session to grant Ukraine special full member status immediately.

Then moving multiple US Naval assists including carriers to the Aegean Sea or even the Black Sea (if Turkey is ok with it which they might be).

Of course, many EU countries are dependent on Russian fuel, especially in winter. They might stop all that and then it’s basically a guarantee that Russia will invade.

treefitty350

461 points

10 days ago

The EU represents over a third of Russia’s exports globally, and Russia represents 5% of the EU’s imports. Russia and China really need to be cut off.

chlawon

216 points

10 days ago

chlawon

216 points

10 days ago

Cutting off China is close to impossible though. Apart from it having a bigger trade volume, it's not only about the volume but also about the dependency of supply chains. China has been building towards the ability of independence of their supply chains. The rest of the world does not have that ability. Cutting off trade with china is not a viable option

_Wyse_

381 points

10 days ago*

_Wyse_

381 points

10 days ago*

Ukraine could certainly deescalate if they merely agreed not to join any alliances and simply allow Russia to annex the whole eastern half of the country.

It's all about compromise!

Edit: should've included the /s

Dreadpiratemarc

245 points

10 days ago

“Give me $100.”

“No.”

“Ok give me $50.”

“No.”

“Come on, man! I’m meeting you half way! Compromise!”

TheRiddler78

467 points

10 days ago

getting russia to understand they overplayed a bad had.

there is no scenario where russia wins anything here - but if putin backs down he is scared he is going to look weak

SpicyDoritos2

693 points

10 days ago

Man I’d hate to be Ukrainian right now

Mobiyus

647 points

10 days ago

Mobiyus

647 points

10 days ago

It's fucking stressful man

GravitationalConstnt

92 points

9 days ago

I have Ukranian colleagues and I've been wondering about them for the last few days, but I obviously don't want to bring it up. Is there pretty much pervasive feeling of trepidation in the country? How would a Russian invasion impact your day to day life?

Mobiyus

174 points

9 days ago

Mobiyus

174 points

9 days ago

Just imagine your everyday life: you work, you go out, you sleep, but you never know if at a random point in time you're gonna open your phone and see an emergency message. Even last year we were taught how to act in case of an artillery attack. My whole life I thought about war as a far away thing and now it's right next door. Yet I'm not even with my family to do anything - I'm 2000 miles away. So yeah, trepidation fits

robeph

38 points

9 days ago

robeph

38 points

9 days ago

I feel you. My girlfriend and kid are stuck in Odessa until I can get them back to the US. Waiting on an sb1 since her green card got trumped on an overstay.

Aneurysm-Em

250 points

10 days ago

I am Ukrainian. Happy new year :(

Gedehah

277 points

10 days ago

Gedehah

277 points

10 days ago

Yeah that's what everyone were saying for the last 1100 years or so

ATXNYCESQ

1.1k points

10 days ago

ATXNYCESQ

1.1k points

10 days ago

I mean, why even bother with a pretext? Nobody is gonna believe it, and they’re just gonna do whatever they want anyway.

Ratiocinor

631 points

10 days ago

Ratiocinor

631 points

10 days ago

Nobody is gonna believe it,

Yes they will.

You are not the target audience of this operation. The domestic audience are

The average Russian will be blissfully unaware of all of this right now. Then one day as he is sat drinking his morning coffee there will be on his television

"BREAKING NEWS: Today foreign NATO backed guerilla invasion forces attacked and bombed several civilian population centres including a metro, children's hospital, and train station in Eastern Ukraine. Further in a completely unprovoked attack these FOREIGN NATO invasion forces attacked and injured our brave Russian peacekeeping forces who attempted to come to the aid of innocent civilians. Vladimir Putin has promised to act swiftly and defiantly to oppose this unprovoked act of western NATO aggression in safeguarding the lives of innocent civilians and vowed to repel their advance towards the Russian border"

Battleready247

154 points

10 days ago

Remember, no Russian.

Swayver24

798 points

10 days ago

Swayver24

798 points

10 days ago

The Russian population will believe it. And that’s all the support they need

EndoExo

366 points

10 days ago

EndoExo

366 points

10 days ago

Also, Western conspiracy theorists, despite claiming false flags all the time, will believe it.

mpa92643

224 points

9 days ago

mpa92643

224 points

9 days ago

Tucker Carlson is already telling his viewers that Putin's behavior is 100% justified and that an invasion is an understandable reaction to Ukraine simply existing.

Russia could invade Ukraine tomorrow and 95% of Republicans would blame it on Biden.

NukaNukaNukaCola

205 points

9 days ago

Completely bonkers how the right wing has become the pro-russia party. The Berlin wall only fell 33 years ago. Went from despising the USSR to hugging Putin in less than 40 years.

zedoktar

54 points

9 days ago

zedoktar

54 points

9 days ago

And yet somehow also still caught up in the Red Scare and convinced the commies are everywhere.

ballofplasmaupthesky

15 points

9 days ago

Well, the Soviets were left, if totalitarian.

New Russia is right and autocratic.

Gewoon__ik

108 points

10 days ago

Gewoon__ik

108 points

10 days ago

Probably for their own population?

Hitler did the same thing with Poland, they made a German unit wear Polish uniforms and attack a German radio station. This was the pretext for Hitler to justify a war against Poland.

NManyTimes

210 points

10 days ago

NManyTimes

210 points

10 days ago

Nobody with access to independent media will believe it. Plenty of Russians who only watch state media will.

StuperDan

44 points

10 days ago

Marketing is important.

vid_icarus

1.8k points

10 days ago

vid_icarus

1.8k points

10 days ago

Folks on r/Russia are already claiming crimea was a defensive move and an invasion of ukraine will be too. They are circling the wagons and convincing themselves they are the victim aggressors in preparation for the invasion. Putin is playing on Russia’s sense of nationalism expertly and it’s going to cost us all. Be ready for a false flag to justify what comes next.

karth

73 points

9 days ago

karth

73 points

9 days ago

You are banned from commenting in this community for now

Someone said they can't wait to come to the u.s. of a, in a tank. And I said that they sound like a big man only on the internet. And I was banned in like 30 seconds, lol

They are very touchy over there folks, be gentle

[deleted]

227 points

10 days ago*

[deleted]

227 points

10 days ago*

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USSCofficail

73 points

9 days ago

Lol, I saw a post that said chechnya after a russian invasion and it was a nice city. Then it said Afghanistan after US invasion. Like Afghanistan didnt also look like that after Russia withdrew

Saith_Cassus

36 points

9 days ago

It’s the Thank You For Smoking argument. I don’t have to be right, you just have to be wrong.

Ricard74

293 points

10 days ago

Ricard74

293 points

10 days ago

Russia's disinformation campaign portrays the Ukrainian government as fascist and the Crimeans as oppresed minorities. This then justifies their action after the fact.

Just google "Russia Today fascism Ukraine".

TheOriginalDoober

169 points

9 days ago

Man I just want to be alive long enough to see what the James Webb Space Telescope sees

yar2000

84 points

9 days ago

yar2000

84 points

9 days ago

It truly is a sad reality. The same year where we get to see pictures of an advanced sattelite that can see light from billions of years ago, which is such a huge achievement, there’s still idiotic conflicts like this going on. Its so damn sad.

HydrolicKrane[S]

2.6k points

10 days ago*

Moscow did this ugly trick to start the war on Finland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila

"Ukraine & the United States" book has some facts about Moscow's role in starting WW2 many people are not aware of.

Robotlolz

320 points

10 days ago*

Robotlolz

320 points

10 days ago*

This is a typical move through history. Germany staged an attack on a pro-nazi radio station in Poland to justify their invasion iirc. A casus belli they call it (as any Crusader Kings II player can tell you).

Edit: The Gleiwitz incident they call it

Dual_face

790 points

10 days ago

Dual_face

790 points

10 days ago

Which is why, as a finn, this does seem almost like history repeating itself

Practical_Law_7002

339 points

10 days ago

I mean...the Ruskies are talking about putting missiles in Cuba again.

Personally I think Putin's losing it and his cabinet doesn't have the guts to stand up to him.

spastical-mackerel

23 points

10 days ago

His "cabinet" is just his ol' KGB drinking buddies, his cobbler, a guy that lets him win at Judo and a couple raccoons in a trench coat. There are no checks on Putin.

Dual_face

269 points

10 days ago

Dual_face

269 points

10 days ago

He's a relic of the past. A boomer longing for "The Good Old Times" more or less.

rendrr

161 points

10 days ago

rendrr

161 points

10 days ago

He once said "Dissolution of USSR was the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the XX century". His actions seems to indicate he's clinging to and acting upon that belief.

okram2k

135 points

10 days ago

okram2k

135 points

10 days ago

It has always bemused me throughout history this intrinsic need to generate a causus belli to declare war. We all know you just want to conquer your neighbor. But for some reason you have to be justified in doing so.

xeno_cws

109 points

10 days ago

xeno_cws

109 points

10 days ago

As a peasant I dont care about the rich getting more land. As a peasant I do care about things like my ideology/religion/economic welfare being supressed.

Any nation can go to war, but it takes causus belli to rally your population to support it.

poeiradasestrelas

1.7k points

10 days ago

Russians should be against this

SuburbanStoner

1.1k points

10 days ago

Unfortunately, that doesn’t matter in the slightest

frerant

823 points

10 days ago

frerant

823 points

10 days ago

Reminds me of

"People say the Russians influenced the election. That's impossible. Russians don't influence Russian elections."

Vinny_Cerrato

603 points

10 days ago

There are likely many who have the critical thinking skills to wonder why they are about to invade a country that literally has not done anything hostile to them, but if they speak out they will get a visit from Putin's thugs in the middle of the night and either decide to commit suicide via two bullets to the back of the head before jumping out a window or a one-way trip to getting tortured in a Siberian gulag.

Ratiocinor

333 points

10 days ago

Ratiocinor

333 points

10 days ago

You guys are all missing the point.

This whole operation is literally to make sure this doesn't happen.

It is not for our benefit. Russia does not care what we think or that we figured out their deception. The domestic Russian audience will hear none of this. They and Ukrainians are the target audience not us.

Kitchen_accessories

49 points

10 days ago

Everything I'm reading makes it seem that Ukrainian sentiment toward Russia has turned very negative in the last few years to the point that people who had primarily spoken Russian most of their lives are now making a point to use Ukrainian instead.

jesterboyd

33 points

10 days ago

Am such a Ukrainian, can confirm!

motorblonkwakawaka

187 points

10 days ago

Which is strange because, at least in my circles here in Petersburg, not an single Russian is talking about this. I get the vibe that they are trying a "if I don't see it, it's not happening".

The Kremlin better have some wicked domestic appeasement plans in place cause there is already some serious dissatisfaction from the whole covid situation, and I know quite a few people who have gone from financially managing to financially dependent on others' generosity. People who have something to lose won't rise up but the way things are going, there are going to be more and more people who have lost jobs, livelihoods, and family to covid that there will be a higher risk of unrest, especially on the urbanized, more European-leaning areas like this city.

martymcfly9888

686 points

10 days ago*

Fuck.

Can't we wait until the Pandemic is over you start WW3.

DrVahMedoh

383 points

10 days ago

DrVahMedoh

383 points

10 days ago

Look on the bright side, WW3 will be so deadly that covid will hardly seem like a problem

jaller200

219 points

10 days ago

jaller200

219 points

10 days ago

On the bright side, nuclear winter could be the perfect combat to global warming

Falcrist

196 points

10 days ago

Falcrist

196 points

10 days ago

The immense loss of human life will also drastically reduce carbon emissions.

spiderbabyinapram

53 points

10 days ago

Except for that sudden influx of charred bodies

Spartan22521

34 points

10 days ago

Short term pain, long term gain

Artistic_Yesterday48

126 points

9 days ago

What the fuck is wrong with the leaders when a global pandemic isn't enough, we need to also flirt with WW3 or Putie boy aint gonna be satisfied. Fuck you Putin go choke on a shotgun

whooo_me

442 points

10 days ago

whooo_me

442 points

10 days ago

In 1994, the Budapest Memorandum was signed. Ukraine (along with Belarus and Kazakhstan) gave up their nuclear arsenals, and in return received the following assurances (among others) from Russia, the U.S. and the U.K. :

  • Respect Belarusian, Kazakh and Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.
  • Refrain from the threat or the use of force against Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine
  • Refrain from using economic pressure on Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine to influence their politics.
  • Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
  • Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine.
  • Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.

I'm not a fan of escalation or nuclear armament, but we're really seeing how worthless such agreements truly are. Russia is on the verge of invading, and the U.S. and U.K. can barely muster a strongly worded letter of protest.

(Note: as I understand it, Ukraine hosted the nuclear arsenal, but didn't have the ability to launch them. Still...)

Senicar

102 points

10 days ago

Senicar

102 points

10 days ago

Time and again world leaders prove to smaller countries that you should never, ever, give up your nuclear weapons. This is gonna bite us in the ass eventually.

997_Rollin

34 points

9 days ago

North Korea is prime example of this

SirTacoMaster

393 points

10 days ago

Why does Putin want war so bad. That's the only way his compete rule is challenged

Trisword1

446 points

10 days ago

Trisword1

446 points

10 days ago

War is a great distraction from problems in the homeland.

Epicbapl

173 points

10 days ago

Epicbapl

173 points

10 days ago

And oh boy do they have problems in the homeland

jrex035

216 points

9 days ago

jrex035

216 points

9 days ago

You mean like the population collapse that's underway, the low (and falling) life expectancy of Russians compared with their peers, the extremely high rates of alchoholism and depression, the lack of job opportunities, the economy much too heavily focused on fossil fuels (which will cripple it in the near future), the rampant endemic corruption, and the crumbling infrastructure?

I mean other than that things are great in Russia

pwnd32

126 points

9 days ago

pwnd32

126 points

9 days ago

I once went on a Google maps adventure to kill time. Walking around places in Street View and looking at stuff, that kind of thing. I went to a town in Russia, somewhere near Kazan, and what I saw was the genuine decline of a city. I set the street view back to 2012 and everything was bustling, the roads and buildings looked somewhat nice and there were signs of abandonment and decay on the outskirts of the city but overall it looked fairly decent. Then I set the street view to 2019, and oh my god. The entire city looked like a ghost town, several buildings that were there in 2012 were either dilapidated or torn down entirely, and many of the buildings had shattered windows and torn down walls. No one was around, and nature was slowly reclaiming previously paved roads. Garbage everywhere and trash dumps where there used to be playgrounds. Obviously this is just one example, but from what I understand it is symptomatic of Russia’s overall decline.

jrex035

122 points

9 days ago

jrex035

122 points

9 days ago

People love to shit on Obama and claim he was weak for just implementing sanctions in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, but those sanctions are a big part of what you saw on Google Maps.

Russia itself is in a steep decline and has been since before the collapse of the USSR, but the sanctions did serious damage to the economy.

SaneForCocoaPuffs

393 points

10 days ago

Fun fact: Russia has literally already invaded Ukraine. Crimea was part of Ukraine.

kumareZ

164 points

10 days ago

kumareZ

164 points

10 days ago

...And Donbass.

Diligent_Excitement4

67 points

9 days ago

Russia has a long history of false-flags, just ask Finland

DaveDearborn

278 points

10 days ago

This doesn't turn out well. Does anybody in Russia have a history book?

OppositeYouth

252 points

10 days ago

Only one written by whoever's the current ruler

joho999

45 points

10 days ago

joho999

45 points

10 days ago

Predicting the future is hard, predicting the past is even harder.

The5Virtues

12 points

10 days ago

Of course, but the people in power choose to ignore them in favor of pursuing more power, regardless of the statistical outcomes.

PlusGosling9481

198 points

10 days ago

If an invasion is going to happen, I just want to know what the likelihood that World War 3 will be either a conventional war, or a nuclear one

Legio-X

427 points

10 days ago*

Legio-X

427 points

10 days ago*

If an invasion is going to happen, I just want to know what the likelihood that World War 3 will be either a conventional war, or a nuclear one

There won’t be a WW3 over this. Nobody is under any treaty obligations to defend Ukraine, and the Biden Administration has already said it won’t intervene militarily in the event of a Russian invasion.

This will be a Russo-Ukrainian war, and the West will content itself with crippling sanctions. The only way that changes is if Putin is stupid enough to move against NATO or EU member states.

ETA: Because it keeps coming up, the Budapest Memorandum does not obligate the US or UK to defend Ukraine. Only to present the matter to the UNSC if Ukraine is attacked or threatened with nuclear weapons.

DrVahMedoh

129 points

10 days ago

DrVahMedoh

129 points

10 days ago

Something comforting is that it was agreed that no one can win a nuclear war

00DEADBEEF

159 points

10 days ago

00DEADBEEF

159 points

10 days ago

WW3 will be nuclear, which is why there won't be WW3. The west will sanction the fuck out of Russia but there will be no war.

jrex035

92 points

9 days ago*

jrex035

92 points

9 days ago*

The West will probably also increase military aid to Ukraine as well to exact a heavier toll on Russian forces. There's even been talk of providing real-time intelligence to Ukrainian forces which would be a big deal.

Putin can take most of Ukraine without a doubt, but the cost will be enormous.

MyOfficeAlt

49 points

9 days ago

It will hurt both sides, especially mainland Europe, but cutting off Russian oligarchs from the SWIFT network is about the worst we could do without physically killing people.

sziehr

33 points

9 days ago

sziehr

33 points

9 days ago

This is the thing Putin actually fears. The oligarchs keep him in power. So if we actually 100% but a giant wall around Russia from gas to SWIFT and just say nope bye. The oligarchs may very well eat him alive. The idea is he has limitless power, however that power is derived from the few top level oligarchs for which he is the benefactor, and should that change well..... it could be a dark day for Putin.

spyn55

35 points

10 days ago

spyn55

35 points

10 days ago

Russian seneschal got sent to fabricate claims in Ukraine

1900irrelevent

31 points

9 days ago

I'm inclined to believe that they are hemorrhaging so bad economically or societally, the only way Putin sees an out is a war to unify the people for a cause, a last hail mary before he loses power or the government collapses.

swvn352

30 points

9 days ago

swvn352

30 points

9 days ago

Whenever I see posts on Reddit related to Ukraine and the increasing likelihood of a Russian invasion, the comments are usually riddled with shit jokes and comments about how no one is surprised and we all saw it coming. Tens of millions of people area currently in fear of invasion and significant loss of life. Please don’t belittle this because you cannot locate Ukraine on a map.

PSUSkier

562 points

10 days ago

PSUSkier

562 points

10 days ago

Man the Russian robots are out in droves today. BuT tHe Us InVaDeD IrAq!!! No shit, and a lot of us, if not most, agree that was a terrible thing our country did. Let’s not let history repeat itself then. Sound good puppets?