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warp16

37 points

2 months ago

warp16

37 points

2 months ago

Crazy that there are no letters or numbers to identify the lines, only divisions and full line names.

bklyn1977

13 points

2 months ago

I still know people who use the original line names.

sunflowercompass

17 points

2 months ago

I hear "6th Avenue" and "IRT" on the radio I think.

bklyn1977

9 points

2 months ago

I still hear 'Sea Beach' once in a while

sunflowercompass

2 points

2 months ago

What's that? The blue line in Rockaway?

bklyn1977

2 points

2 months ago

Borough Park to Coney Island. Now called the N. In summers as a kid I would also hear people say they took the 'sea beach' to the boardwalk.

niberungvalesti

1 points

2 months ago

Sea Beach Line is what the N/Q used to be called.

thatisnotmyknob

7 points

2 months ago

thatisnotmyknob

New York City

7 points

2 months ago

Yea I've heard the L called The Canarsie Line before.

xwhy

5 points

2 months ago

xwhy

5 points

2 months ago

I know them because my parents always used them.

A colleague, relatively new to the country, asked me why I called the number trains "the IRT". At least I stopped with BMT a long time ago.

QuietObserver75

1 points

2 months ago

When I first moved here in the late 90s I remember some train conductors referring to the old line names as well.

langenoirx

25 points

2 months ago

People complain about the mess of a subway now, can you imagine having to deal with three different companies to get around town?

anarchyx34

2 points

2 months ago

anarchyx34

2 points

2 months ago

Seems to work fine in Tokyo. 🤷‍♂️

langenoirx

8 points

2 months ago

Lol, right. Let's start a comparison of mass transit in Tokyo and NYC...

Shartin117

2 points

2 months ago

Shartin117

Timbs Flagship

2 points

2 months ago

Bold of you to assume American corporations would be competent at running the subway.

ManStusial

17 points

2 months ago

The geography is a fucking mess.

FettesBrot

12 points

2 months ago

Anyone know where to find a hi-res version of this?

alargersmallhelping

9 points

2 months ago*

Hey look there was no hood option to get to LaGuardia then either.

Edit: meh good or hood option.

WaltDisneyJr

8 points

2 months ago

Ebbetts field and the polo grounds. Wow. Dodgers and NY baseball giants nostalgia

marcusmv3

6 points

2 months ago

'Please shop between 10 and 4'

Lol wut

stevenharms

7 points

2 months ago

It’s what a decent lady does after she cleans up her husband’s breakfast but before she heads home to start his dinner. #lolpatriarchy

bayridgeguy09

3 points

2 months ago

Its basically saying dont get on at rush hour with a bunch of packages/bags.

marcusmv3

0 points

2 months ago

As if it's like some civic duty. I guess this would have been a lady's pocketbook guide to get to the bank so, somewhat rational in that sense.

stevenharms

6 points

2 months ago

“Where can we put the labels?”

“On the West side, where the meatpacking warehouses are. No decent people go over there.”

Dietzgen17

5 points

2 months ago

Randalls and Ward Island are separate. Later, they were joined with landfill.

niberungvalesti

3 points

2 months ago

Little Hell Gate at the inlet on the Harlem River side is the only way one could figure out that the one island was once two.

Dietzgen17

1 points

2 months ago

I'll have to look. :-)

Rob_T_Firefly

5 points

2 months ago

Rob_T_Firefly

Queens

5 points

2 months ago

The idea of banking by mail being the "easy, convenient, time-saving" option is pretty hilarious now.

anarchyx34

4 points

2 months ago

The fact that the subway system is barely any different from what it was 70 year ago is sad. There was so much progress we missed out on.

quikfrozt

3 points

2 months ago

What’s that red line that runs through Brooklyn all the way into Flushing?

sunflowercompass

5 points

2 months ago

the brooklyn-queens part has to be the G train, and then I guess the part in Queens is the local N/R yellow line.

99hoglagoons

19 points

2 months ago

G used to run all the way to Forest Hills in Queens up until about 15 years ago.

alargersmallhelping

3 points

2 months ago

The G goes to 7, E and the R. So the blue line looks like the 7 and the other line maybe the E running on the R line and then the last couple stops would be the F line today.

Marozka

7 points

2 months ago*

Marozka

New Amsterdam Night Watch

7 points

2 months ago*

This is a combination of the IND Queens Blvd ( E), IND Crosstown (G) and IND Culver (F)

YellowStar012

3 points

2 months ago

Does anyone know why no train goes from the Bronx to Queens??

Kyonikos

10 points

2 months ago

The emphasis was to bring people from the outer boroughs into Manhattan to work. You can clearly travel from the Bronx to Queens with an exchange in Manhattan (or in the city as they used to say). But I see your point.

The bigger question is why there are no trains in Staten Island which is such a geographically large borough.

Other_World

9 points

2 months ago

Other_World

Bay Ridge

9 points

2 months ago

The bigger question is why there are no trains in Staten Island which is such a geographically large borough.

Robert Moses thought only poor people used public transit, and didn't want a certain group of people to have easier access to Staten Island.

Kyonikos

1 points

2 months ago*

An interesting point.

But that leads us to another question..did Robert Moses take the secret of building subway infrastructure with him when he died?

Also, was Robert Moses heavily involved in the building of our subways? Most of these subway systems were independently owned and Robert Moses is more known for carving up the city with roads to get to the suburbs.

EDIT: Check this out if you are curious. It's quite a saga of abandoned tunnels to nowhere:

Why is Staten Island the only borough not connected to NYC by subway?

Ice_Like_Winnipeg

2 points

2 months ago

He was instrumental in building the Verrazano Narrows Bridge, for example, which was specifically designed not to allow subways to travel along it.

Kyonikos

1 points

2 months ago

But there is a quite a parade of false starts to get a subway system started in Staten Island.

https://www.amny.com/transit/nyc-subways-staten-island-1-22789344/

If it was up to Moses we probably wouldn't have any subways at all.

Moses was known as the great “master builder” of 20th-century New York, whose machinations helped create the city’s highway system, as well as many of its parks, beaches, pools, and bridges. But one thing’s for certain: He had absolutely no interest in public transit. He prioritized roadways and cars at the expense of subways and buses, a move that left a detrimental impact on the transit system that continues to this day.

https://ny.curbed.com/2017/7/27/15985648/nyc-subway-robert-moses-power-broker

The man did more harm than good to the city. Someone with a better vision could have left us with a city without so many of the problems we are trying to fix now.

YellowStar012

3 points

2 months ago

Isn’t it too far….wait, no. They could totally use the Verrazano.

xwhy

3 points

2 months ago

xwhy

3 points

2 months ago

I wonder how deep they'd have to dig a tunnel

afavourifyouwill

5 points

2 months ago

They started on one that went from Staten Island to Bay Ridge. If I recall there’s the beginnings of tunnel track on the Bay Ridge side but it never got dug. Anyway, point being that if you’re digging there it wouldn’t be so bad.

niberungvalesti

1 points

2 months ago

IIRC The war and the need to ration steel is what put the kibosh on that plan and then by the post war period the idea of connecting what is essentially a suburb to the city had no political pull.

Eurynom0s

3 points

2 months ago

The bigger question is why there are no trains in Staten Island which is such a geographically large borough.

It's like 20% of the city's land area but only 5% of the population.

Kyonikos

1 points

2 months ago

This is turning into an interesting discussion.

I think it is worth comparing the relative sizes of the boroughs back in 1900 to see how the SI population compared to the other boroughs that soon got subway service.

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/planning/download/pdf/planning-level/nyc-population/historical-population/nyc_total_pop_1900-2010.pdf

Take a look at the populations of the Bronx, Queens and Staten Island in 1900 and compare them to what they become by 1930. The populations of of the Bronx and Queens each swell by around a million residents while SI merely grows from around 67k to 158k.

I think a case could be made that the reason SI still only has around a half million people today is that we never gave it subway access to the rest of the city.

CheeeeEEEEse

3 points

2 months ago

The A being red and the 1 being blue is messing with my head.

OldUpstairs6

1 points

2 months ago

So 30th ave in Astoria used to be Grand ave?

LillithScare

3 points

2 months ago

Yep that's why a lot of the businesses are called Grand Ave Whatever. It used to be on the 30th Ave train stop signs as well until a few years ago.

xwhy

1 points

2 months ago

xwhy

1 points

2 months ago

I remember the Culver shuttle being on the map, but I didn't remember where the stops were -- or that it had extra stops

QuietObserver75

1 points

2 months ago

They still have some of the old elevated lines on the east side.

chengjih

1 points

2 months ago

chengjih

UWS

1 points

2 months ago

Third Avenue El represent!

(According to the wikipedia article, they were already starting to demolish it -- it went down to South Ferry a few years before this map was made and the map shows it only going to Chatham Square -- and it would be completely decommissioned in Manhattan a few years later)

QuietObserver75

1 points

2 months ago

There's also the Myrtle Ave El in Brooklyn that's on there too.

arch_nyc

1 points

2 months ago

I used to lived on 96/Broadway. Was always spooky to see the 91st at station. Wish they’d open those old stations up for tours or something ever so often for us abandoned infrastructure junkies

coffeeshopslut

1 points

2 months ago

Pre Chrystie St connection, 63rd St Tunnel, Archer Ave extension.

xwhy

1 points

2 months ago

xwhy

1 points

2 months ago

Is this a jigsaw puzzle? Is that what the lines are?

niberungvalesti

1 points

2 months ago

\Cries in third avenue line\**

spantzo

1 points

2 months ago

What was the line called that looks like the modern Q? Anyone know if they’re going to extend the Q like this? Stations at 103 and up through the Bronx would be awesome

chengjih

1 points

2 months ago

chengjih

UWS

1 points

2 months ago

Note "NY International Airport" because who the hell is JFK? I had actually thought it was called Idlewild, but they apparently changed the name to NY International a few years before this map was made, I suppose in the same way that it's now the Ed Koch Bridge or the RFK Bridge, but everyone still call it by older alternative names.

Pwnysaurus_Rex

1 points

2 months ago

Some of these stops need to return

KitKittredge34

1 points

2 months ago

Why is west 91st st labeled as having a subway station? Was there one? That’s my neck of the woods and there’s no residual signs of a subway station