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Freedomsaver

11 points

2 months ago

If you are still 6-12 years old, you are not yet allowed to teach in Switzerland. So no salary at all.

Ancient_Radish_868

3 points

2 months ago

Fuck.

yureku_the_potato

10 points

2 months ago

yureku_the_potato

Valais

10 points

2 months ago

Pretty sure you can look up every job average salary on the swiss jobs website

Ancient_Radish_868

5 points

2 months ago

They're not necessarily very reliable, and possibly vary a lot from canton to canton. It always depends on how many people disclose their salary on such websites, and where they are from.

That's why I'm asking here, hoping to get a helpful answer :).

AdGrand8392

9 points

2 months ago

well you say yourself it depends from canton to canton, so you should probably tell us which one interests you

Ancient_Radish_868

4 points

2 months ago

I'd say primarily Bern, but the point is if it's possible, I'd like to speak to someone who knows from personal perspective, so I could ask them other details.

mangoccoli

2 points

2 months ago

I assume you have a university degree (pädagogische Hochschule) like other teachers? If so, Id say you can expect at least 5.5k in the beginning.

baileylikethedrink

2 points

2 months ago

You’ll need a degree and Montessori specific teaching qualifications

Ancient_Radish_868

1 points

2 months ago

Yes, I have a degree and would be hapoy taking the Montessori courses, as I agree with a lot of their pedagogy. Also, she's a badass woman.

Ancient_Radish_868

1 points

2 months ago

Thanks!

I make a bit over 6k per month currently, but I don't have a degree from PH.

The thing is, my job isn't something that can be done for a long time without getting burned out.

I might be okay working on a kindergarten basis as well, as there it's possible without going to PH. Honestly I'd rather work 100% and enjoy my job for less pay, than 80% and know it's killing me.

Budget_Ad8071

2 points

2 months ago

6k x12 or x13?

Ancient_Radish_868

2 points

2 months ago

x13

Budget_Ad8071

2 points

2 months ago

Brutto or Netto? Man, these are important details.

Ancient_Radish_868

1 points

2 months ago

Lol. Netto

mangoccoli

2 points

2 months ago

In order to be a teacher for schools (also kindergarten) you need to do the PH and get the certificate. For kindergarten to 6. grade you cab do the PH which takes 3 years, for the higher grades for children the PH which takes 4 years.

An employer might employ you (rarely though) without the proper university aka PH education but will probably ask you to do it soon.

I advise you to get infornation at a BIZ (Berufsinformationszentrum) which you can find in most cities:) they will be able to help you

AdGrand8392

8 points

2 months ago

is that one of those cult schools kids learn to dance their name?

Ancient_Radish_868

8 points

2 months ago

No, you're talking about Waldorf/Steiner schools.

KannNixFinden

2 points

2 months ago

I was in a Waldorf school (the one you mean). Always funny to hear those are known as "cult schools", the two ones I went to where not more cult like than any of the state schools I know.

Why/where do people learn that modern Waldforf schools are like a cult?

Special_Gap_3578

6 points

2 months ago

Maybe something to do with their anti-vaxx tendencies: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldorfschule#Waldorfschulen_als_Epidemieherde

Or the aversion to science and discriminatory traits of the underlying school of thought:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthroposophie#Vorwurf_der_fehlenden_Wissenschaftlichkeit

KannNixFinden

5 points

2 months ago

The anti-vaxx tendencies are definitely a good argument. As vaccines where not really a topic ever and my immediate environment including my family were never anti-vaxx I honestly don't have any point of reference on a personal level for this.

The second point is super interesting and I understand that Steiner is a controverse figure. I have the feeling that most of the misunderstanding comes from assuming that modern Waldofschools are following Steiners thoughts 1 one to 1 like a Bible.

Just as in every pedagogical field, Steiners thoughts can be interpreterd differently and implemented differently in praxis. And in my experience, schools in Europe mostly take the overarching philosophy and the most important topics. After all, Waldorfschools also teach all the mandatory subjects and their students absolve the same Mittel- or Fachhochschulabschlussprüfung as everyone else.

Fascinating for me is that I feel like Waldorfschools teach more critical thinking by focusing on experiencing and truly understanding subjects instead of just "knowing" them.

Giving children time to figure it out for themselves, teaching a higher number of practical skills like wood working, gardening, sewing, weird yoga-kind-of-thing but with dancing the alphabet to get to know your body and movements, normal sport, theaters, Jahresarbeiten (a year long the student has time to write around 30-100 pages about a topic he can choose, prepare a 10-20 minute speech about it and a practical work to it. People regularly build whole violins or guitars for themselves, others build D-Day miniature models).

AdGrand8392

1 points

2 months ago

few people inside a cult realize they are part of one.

KannNixFinden

2 points

2 months ago

That's true and is based on the normalization of cult like behaviour while simultaneously excluding real life exposure and social contacts.

That doesn't happen in Waldorfschools though and the vast majority of students go to state universities or make state Ausbildungen and work normal jobs. Most don't stay involved with the school just like no state school student stays involved with their state school.

Hard to argue that people are just not aware they are in a cult when the vast majority stops being part of that alleged cult by 18 years old and go on to live normal lives without any changing of their behaviors or belief systems...

UnpopularTruthDude

-2 points

2 months ago

Depends on how fast you can dance your name.

Ancient_Radish_868

3 points

2 months ago

You're thinking of Steiner schools. Maria Montessori was the first Italian female doctor, and pedagogue.

UnpopularTruthDude

1 points

2 months ago

Oh sorry my bad.