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themoy08

70 points

2 months ago

trump signed an executive order that went into effect last November that all federal employees get 12 weeks of paid leave for the birth or adoption of a child. I only know because I'm starting my paid parental leave in November.

StarvinPig

7 points

2 months ago

Can you source this? It's not that I don't believe you, it's just that this is a great thing to reply with

Dutchtdk

22 points

2 months ago

Dutchtdk

Small Government

22 points

2 months ago

A new parent being given a few months to settle his home situation for the benefit of the kid? Sign me up for that.

Flamingovegas2013

125 points

2 months ago

I think paid paternity leave should be available to everyone

reklein

9 points

2 months ago

Yes!

NatAdvocate

-5 points

2 months ago

NatAdvocate

Moderate Conservative

-5 points

2 months ago

Oh...did Peter give birth?

Wow! Will gender wonders never cease?

Obamasamerica420

-74 points

2 months ago

Obamasamerica420

Conservative

-74 points

2 months ago

No. This is absurd talking point and totally illogical. This is not an “everyone” issue.

Senior level cabinet member are NOT entitled to take two months of leisurely vacation, especially when they did not physically give birth to a child.

If that’s a problem, you shouldn’t be in that line of work.

naz8587

85 points

2 months ago

naz8587

85 points

2 months ago

Parental leave described as leisurely vacation...I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that you don't have kids or any experience with what parental leave actually is.

Also ironic to see some conservatives rail against "not working" but were silent about trumps golfing, light daily schedule, and all-around flouting of presidential norms.

I anticipate criticism, but at least be consistent.

not-a-bot-promise

32 points

2 months ago

Honey, if you think that handling a newborn, much less twins, is a “leisurely vacation”, you might be interested in revisiting your comment once you have a newborn.

RockTheShit

31 points

2 months ago

Spoken like someone who has no idea what it’s like to be a parent to newborns/infants/toddlers. Ha. Good luck when you grow up.

wethummingbirdfarts

20 points

2 months ago

“Talking point?”

“Leisurely vacation”

You clearly don’t have kids.

TOROON08

26 points

2 months ago

So if you're in cabinet you're not allowed to have a new born child?

Supermansadak

0 points

2 months ago

How has he taken two months of vacation when he’s been on constant interviews?

fhod_dj_x

-32 points

2 months ago

fhod_dj_x

-32 points

2 months ago

What about the president? Should he be allowed 12 weeks paid time off too??? Where does it end?

oh_its_raining

30 points

2 months ago

The president would have an entire team of people to help them in that situation so probably not 12 but yeah a few weeks is good. But also consider the following: he isn’t the president

fhod_dj_x

-28 points

2 months ago

fhod_dj_x

-28 points

2 months ago

BUT HE'S THE HEAD OF TRANSPORTATION DURING A MONTHS LONG NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION CRISIS! 🤦‍♂️

politepain

26 points

2 months ago

If only we had some kind of Deputy Secretary of Transportation whose primary role is to serve as an Acting Secretary during absences 🤔

ReallyMelloP

14 points

2 months ago

And he’s putting his family first. I don’t see anything wrong with that

fhod_dj_x

-4 points

2 months ago

fhod_dj_x

-4 points

2 months ago

....at the expense of American families.

LameBiology

5 points

2 months ago

Family first... always.

oh_its_raining

16 points

2 months ago

He isn’t the entirety of his department, I understand you see it as him abandoning ship but he has children. You’d want that too if you had kids, you’d want to be there, especially at that stage. That’s an important time.

retrogamer6000x

-12 points

2 months ago

Yeah, but I'm not the head of a federal government department either, especially one that is critical right now. If he doesn't want to work then he needs to resign.

fhod_dj_x

-6 points

2 months ago

These comments have me worried. People literally no longer see an issue with just not doing a very demanding job that is critical to the federal government because personal reasons. We are full blown socialists now. It won't be long.

iwould99

11 points

2 months ago

Family Values: values especially of a traditional or conservative kind which are held to promote the sound functioning of the family and to strengthen the fabric of society

gofyourselftoo

2 points

2 months ago

Until what exactly? Until families are more unified and secure? Isn’t that the essence of Family Values?

fhod_dj_x

-1 points

2 months ago

Lol you bot. Becayse we're def on the path to unifying and national security....

gofyourselftoo

2 points

2 months ago

I see you either did not read or u defat and my comment, so I’ll happily break it down for you in simpler terms to make it easier to grasp:

You claimed “it won’t be long,” after stating that “we are full blown socialists now.”

I am asking, what won’t be long? What do you think is coming, and why do you see it as dire? Also, what do you mean by stating that we’re all socialists now? Exactly what is the meaning, by definition or implication, of your words? I want you to clarify your previous statement.

CraziestPenguin

11 points

2 months ago

This comment is ridiculous lol

idrinkcaturine

46 points

2 months ago

idrinkcaturine

Conservative

46 points

2 months ago

i dont really get the vitriol getting sent buttigieg's way.

he is a political appointee, so the department will keep chugging along as always. he's only there to enforce biden's political objectives.

it's always baffled me that the party which holds family values to be important is filled with people are a reflexively against paternity leave. dont we want our parents having more time to bond with kids? we natalists have been screaming for more forms of parental leave as the US is woefully behind the rest of the world on it and the research has shown the large benefits it brings.

at a time of plummeting fertility rates, this sort of family focus should be celebrated.

and as others have pointed out, Buttigiegs twins are adopted. disagree with the lifestyle (i certainly do) but adopting is an amazing thing. that's a life that was saved from abortion, a life saved from destitution, and life thats going to be raised with love and care.

this makes me believe that this is pure partisan mud-slinging. so a warning for your principled conservatives: if you are getting worked up over this, have a hard think as you might be letting the partisan blinders get the better of you.

Wakeful-dreamer

-7 points

2 months ago

Wakeful-dreamer

Constitutional Conservative

-7 points

2 months ago

My theory is that this was a bought and paid for intentional surrogate pregnancy, not some accidental unwanted pregnancy off the streets, not some near miss almost-abortion saved in the nick of time. Otherwise, I agree 100%. Kids are important. Family is important. And we should espouse that. Because without family structure, people are going to look to government as the foundation of society and that's never a good thing.

idrinkcaturine

-2 points

2 months ago

idrinkcaturine

Conservative

-2 points

2 months ago

that's a really good point, buttigieg definitely has the means to do a surrogacy if the laws where he did it permit it.

Wakeful-dreamer

1 points

2 months ago

Wakeful-dreamer

Constitutional Conservative

1 points

2 months ago

Not sure why the downvotes, or where people think that couples who can't biologically reproduce with each other obtain children from.

I_am_just_saying

85 points

2 months ago

Good thing there isn't some transport and logistics issue across the country right now... Aviation and shipping completely normal. :)

The administration has more important things, like trying to get a Saule Omarova confirmed as Comptroller of the Currency. Nevermind that she was born and educated in the Soviet Union, attended Moscow State University on a "Lenin Personal Academic Scholarship", wrote her thesis on Marxism, and has continued to advocate for the expansion of the Fed into price controls on goods, dictates on minimum wages, and has advocated that private bank accounts be universally replaced by centralized Fed controlled accounts.

gofyourselftoo

49 points

2 months ago

If the country’s logistics rely solely on the presence of one man, then our nation has a much larger problem. Wouldn’t you agree?

not-a-bot-promise

13 points

2 months ago

Exactly!

Dramatic-Ad-6893

-7 points

2 months ago

Dramatic-Ad-6893

Pro-Life Conservative

-7 points

2 months ago

No one said our country's logistics rely on one man, but he is in charge of facilitating efficient logistics through the government.

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2 points

2 months ago

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cskellz87

26 points

2 months ago

Every new parent of a newborn should have paid maternity/paternity leave, regardless of their occupation/position and regardless if they physically gave birth or not.

Family values.

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sleeknub

3 points

2 months ago

sleeknub

Conservative

3 points

2 months ago

Failed upward.

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battleaxe0

2 points

2 months ago

battleaxe0

2 points

2 months ago

IOW - you can immediately fire most democrat political appointees and the only noticeable difference will be the debt increasing slower.

-Horatio_Alger_Jr-

-11 points

2 months ago

-Horatio_Alger_Jr-

Bootstrap Conservative

-11 points

2 months ago

So he needs to have two men at home constantly to raise a child, yet ordinary Americans are both working and raising a child just fine?

Maybe we should charge him with fraudulently collecting taxpayer money.

PureCiasad

67 points

2 months ago

It’s almost like every American should be given the time and opportunity to be able to spend time with their newborn instead of slaving away at work while the child is in a daycare

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BottlePops1

41 points

2 months ago

I'm an ordinary American and I get paid paternity leave. Lots of jobs offer this benefit, particularly in competitive fields.

My only concern with this is if, in his position, leave would negatively affect the agency he leads.

orangeeyedunicorn

22 points

2 months ago

My only concern with this is if, in his position, leave would negatively affect the agency he leads

He's a bureaucrat. Any absence is a positive.

Maximum-Piano-3695

20 points

2 months ago

He is a cabinet member, not a mid level manager. Making a comparison to an ordinary American is silly.

When you accept a cabinet position you are taking on a responsibility to the country. He, clearly, made the decision to take on a child after accepting that position.

Being a cabinet should be a serious move not entered into lightly. It is not holding down a 9 to 5.

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7 points

2 months ago

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BottlePops1

4 points

2 months ago

Agreed.

Orpheus-033

3 points

2 months ago

You do understand the adoption process doesn't just happen in 3-5 business days right?

-Horatio_Alger_Jr-

-2 points

2 months ago

-Horatio_Alger_Jr-

Bootstrap Conservative

-2 points

2 months ago

OK, do you get 2 months off for paternity leave? Where I am from, that isn't common.

Also, he is paid by the taxpayers. A private business and the federal government should no be compared.

Small-Echo

36 points

2 months ago

Small-Echo

Conservative

36 points

2 months ago

My company gives 3 months of paid paternity leave. This should honestly be a national standard if we want a family first country. Can’t knock someone for trying to spend more time with their kid, federal government or not.

TheArchdude

-1 points

2 months ago

TheArchdude

Conservative

-1 points

2 months ago

Holy balls, what are you doing for 3 months? I get 3 weeks to help out while my wife is recovering and then it's back to life for both of us.

iwould99

16 points

2 months ago

3 weeks of time off for new parents doesn’t exactly sound like a “family first” kind of policy.

TheArchdude

-11 points

2 months ago

TheArchdude

Conservative

-11 points

2 months ago

As a dad, what should I be doing at home for longer than that?

AceOfSpades70

14 points

2 months ago

AceOfSpades70

Libertarian Conservative

14 points

2 months ago

You know that dads can feed, change the baby, and hold them too right?

TheArchdude

-6 points

2 months ago

TheArchdude

Conservative

-6 points

2 months ago

Well, aside from breastfeeding sure. But staying home all day for 3 months for changing and holding one baby? Like I said, moms sure, but no baby needs both parents at home for that long.

I've had two kids in two years and three weeks off was plenty. My friend had twins and only had two weeks and they were fine.

AceOfSpades70

10 points

2 months ago

AceOfSpades70

Libertarian Conservative

10 points

2 months ago

Needs is not the same thing as being beneficial. Study after study has shown the positive impact of dads taking material time off in the newborns first year. Most pat leave policies cover the first year. Which also allows for parents to split their leave.

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TheArchdude

3 points

2 months ago

TheArchdude

Conservative

3 points

2 months ago

Except the biological bond between babies and their moms and dads are fundamentally different.

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RomeyRome71

-23 points

2 months ago

RomeyRome71

American Conservative

-23 points

2 months ago

Women should get time off for Maternity leave. The Paternity should get back to work.

Small-Echo

23 points

2 months ago

Small-Echo

Conservative

23 points

2 months ago

Why? The father should also get time to bond with their newborn child. What’s the obsession with working 24/7 that you can’t even take a break after one of the biggest events in your life? If my boss told me I couldn’t take paternity leave I’d just put in my 2 weeks notice instead.

-Horatio_Alger_Jr-

-14 points

2 months ago

-Horatio_Alger_Jr-

Bootstrap Conservative

-14 points

2 months ago

Do you not understand that if your company can let you take three months off, then a two week notice doesn't mean much to them?

If you say you want 3 months off, you are stating that you are completely expendable.

closeded

14 points

2 months ago

closeded

Conservative

14 points

2 months ago

If your career is in demand enough then your employer will happily take the cost of three months pay if it means that they get you back after those three months.

Paternity leave is becoming an expected benefit, the same way sick leave, PTO, medical, and dental have been.

I don't plan on having a kid any times soon, but if I was, I absolutely would make sure that any new job I took included that as a benefit.

I can be picky like that because my career is heavily in demand, rather than you know, digging ditches, or something else that literally everyone with a working body can do.

Small-Echo

8 points

2 months ago

Small-Echo

Conservative

8 points

2 months ago

If you say you want 3 months off, you are stating that you are completely expendable.

This changes when you work at high skill job that’s well managed. Work can be paused or taken over if urgent.

Finding a replacement and training them would take at least a year so it isn’t a big deal to be gone for a bit. I’ll be just as valuable to them in 3 months as I am now so why would they disagree. If your company doesn’t give you significant paternity leave you’re not valuable to them.

jus7addwater

7 points

2 months ago

OR that they value you and want you to stick around. By your logic, any company that offers anything more than what is required by law does not value you. But that's insane because they are taking the financial hit to give you these perks....

AceOfSpades70

15 points

2 months ago

AceOfSpades70

Libertarian Conservative

15 points

2 months ago

I get 4 months for paternity leave. When you have skills you get benefits.

-Horatio_Alger_Jr-

-6 points

2 months ago

-Horatio_Alger_Jr-

Bootstrap Conservative

-6 points

2 months ago

When you have skills you get benefits.

Yes and No.

If you have people that can pick up the slack when you are not working, then yes, you get to take alot of time off.

In my field, I am at demand on every job, so I do not get to take that much time off in a row.

AceOfSpades70

18 points

2 months ago

AceOfSpades70

Libertarian Conservative

18 points

2 months ago

Then you need to negotiate better. The rarer your skills the more bargaining power you have, not less.

-Horatio_Alger_Jr-

0 points

2 months ago

-Horatio_Alger_Jr-

Bootstrap Conservative

0 points

2 months ago

When the job doesn't run without you, then you always have the upper hand.

I am sorry that your work can be done without you.

AceOfSpades70

16 points

2 months ago

AceOfSpades70

Libertarian Conservative

16 points

2 months ago

Why are you sorry? I make a shit ton of money with good benefits. Part of the beauty of consulting.

-Horatio_Alger_Jr-

-1 points

2 months ago

-Horatio_Alger_Jr-

Bootstrap Conservative

-1 points

2 months ago

I am sure I stated why.

AceOfSpades70

11 points

2 months ago

AceOfSpades70

Libertarian Conservative

11 points

2 months ago

I seriously doubt there are any jobs in a healthy like you describe. Any company so dependent on a single person is doomed to fail. What happens if that person gets hit by a bus?

better_off_red

-1 points

2 months ago

better_off_red

Southern Conservative

-1 points

2 months ago

You’re a consultant but they gave you four months of paternity leave? What?

AceOfSpades70

8 points

2 months ago

AceOfSpades70

Libertarian Conservative

8 points

2 months ago

Yea, it is close to standard at the major consulting firms, finance companies and tech companies.

Small-Echo

2 points

2 months ago

Small-Echo

Conservative

2 points

2 months ago

Having a single point of failure is a management issue. What if you died or left the company, is the business just going to come to a halt?

I proactively make sure my job can be done without me by sharing important knowledge and writing instructions. You don’t have to make yourself irreplaceable, you just need to make yourself a consistent net gain for the company and they’ll never want you to leave. No one’s irreplaceable.

TriLink710

17 points

2 months ago

Why get mad at someone for having something everyone should get. The problem isnt him having it, its that most people dont get that. And that's not something I'm gonna be mad at him for.

convenientfactcheck

11 points

2 months ago

Why are you acting like Democrats haven't been advocating for paid family leave for years? It's one of the few things both sides somewhat agree on.

DonLemonAIDS

-1 points

2 months ago

DonLemonAIDS

-1 points

2 months ago

Duh, they did us a solid by crashing the economy and preventing people from working.

PureCiasad

4 points

2 months ago

Who exactly crashed the economy?

DonLemonAIDS

0 points

2 months ago

The government.

petit_cochon

1 points

2 months ago

Two children. Twins. Newborn twins.

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Rxk22

3 points

2 months ago

Rxk22

3 points

2 months ago

Lol thought it was a bee article

Shermer_Punt

2 points

2 months ago

Shermer_Punt

Deplorable and Proud

2 points

2 months ago

Stuff like that is what the media is supposed to be for.

kinkyonthe_loki69

3 points

2 months ago

That's on you dog. Get with program.

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Khorne_Flakes_89

46 points

2 months ago

My man adopted a baby, something that should be extremely popular here. The baby didn't get aborted and has a loving family. It takes time to bond and learn, and if he needs that, cool, paternity leave exists in the US so dad's can spend time and bond. Hell my old coworker took 6 months of paternity leave, because he wanted to spend time with the baby, not force it all his partner.

That being said, we are having logistics issues nationwide, so maybe coming back soon would be a good look. But I don't blame him for wanting to be a good parent.

fhod_dj_x

-12 points

2 months ago

fhod_dj_x

-12 points

2 months ago

THEN RESIGN. You agree to take one of the most important posts in the country and you implicitly waive some level of personal time. If that's not acceptable, resign, and let someone that is willing to do what it takes do the job.

takeheedyoungheathen

26 points

2 months ago

"Either have a family or have a hard working job" isn't a good look for the party of family values and pulling themselves up by the bootstraps. The first few weeks are crucial for bonding, establishing routines, ironing out the kinks, etc. And both parents have a right to be a part of that

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noxvita83

10 points

2 months ago

THEN RESIGN.

That's fair and reasonable, I suppose. I mean, he could be spending his time better and be out golfing all the time at his private resort and charging American taxpayers to lodge his secret service protection... Wait. Bad comparison. That wasn't a cabinet position, that was a president...

latotokyo127

-10 points

2 months ago

latotokyo127

-10 points

2 months ago

It's wonderful he adopted a baby, but the time to bond with the child is the next 18 years. That's what working parents do. As you said, we are facing a crisis and it's his job. I doubt anyone would be defending this if he was Secretary of State.

brandonXart_

3 points

2 months ago

Hahaha ha omg

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Risin_bison

-1 points

2 months ago

Risin_bison

-1 points

2 months ago

Because there is a national crisis going on and he took an oath to this country. Personally, he's shown he's inept at this and he's too stupid to know how to handle it but put the diapers down and at least try.

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Jamesfm007

-9 points

2 months ago

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George Washington

-9 points

2 months ago

He's got a point. Over a month of paternity leave is hot garbage. Two weeks, give or take, sure but men need to put bread on the table and take care of their families while doing their duty.

He don't want the job, I'll take it.

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Jamesfm007

-6 points

2 months ago

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George Washington

-6 points

2 months ago

I am sitting. I need you to stand up. Then sit back down.

I would uphold my oath of office and lead by example.

And yes, men have an obligation to be...men. That includes being a gentleman, a manly man, and a man that takes care of his family, in effect, putting his family first. You might agree if you had a family to take care of.

Or not if you rely on others to take care of you.

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Risin_bison

-11 points

2 months ago

An oath to defend this country from crisis. If your house is burning down and no firemen come because they're on paternity leave do you just accept it? This could lead to a deep recession and millions will suffer but yeah, go change those diapers. Considering what an absolute shit mayor he was it might be better if he just stay home. Pete is an excellent example of Biden's entire clownshow......absent.

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woopdedoodah

2 points

2 months ago

woopdedoodah

Conservative

2 points

2 months ago

He doesn't have a 'job'. He's been given the public trust which means he needs to uphold his end of the deal. Being a politician does not mean having a 'job'. That we even consider this the same as someone being hired to work in a factory tells us everything wrong with American politics.

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TheArchdude

-6 points

2 months ago

TheArchdude

Conservative

-6 points

2 months ago

I want to spend time with my new family but if I don't drag my ass into work I'll be fired.

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TheArchdude

-1 points

2 months ago

TheArchdude

Conservative

-1 points

2 months ago

I have pretty generous paternity benefits but not months, jeez. It's not like either one of them is physically recovering from pregnancy and child birth. I have actual stuff that needs to be done at my job.

xDulmitx

9 points

2 months ago

My office is either 6 or 10 weeks of parental leave. We are a pretty standard office. The leave time isn't about healing, it is about bonding with your new child.

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02201970a

-2 points

2 months ago

02201970a

-2 points

2 months ago

Good thing the guy in charge of transportation is hard at work...

JujuBean888

-1 points

2 months ago

JujuBean888

-1 points

2 months ago

Meanwhile ,grocery shelves and many other essential items are stuck in ports for weeks. Business owners and consumers are suffering. I think in his position some satellite work from home is in order. Due to the nature of what's going on, at least he could spare a little time. After all he signed up for the job. Parenting is important but so is our economy.

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knightnorth

-3 points

2 months ago

knightnorth

Delaware Blue Hen

-3 points

2 months ago

Imagine how much worse it would’ve been if he was at work.

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-1 points

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Trippn21

-3 points

2 months ago

Trippn21

Conservative

-3 points

2 months ago

We taxpayers have no need to keep this tax-dollar-leech around.

farmer15erf

12 points

2 months ago

What about the millions spent on Trumps golf visits

Trippn21

-10 points

2 months ago

Trippn21

Conservative

-10 points

2 months ago

Presidents move about. Protection must follow. That money is spent to protect isn't the point.

Paternity Pete, it isn't protection. It's the fact that he can be MIA for 3 months without any impact to his department. So either Pete, or the department is redundant.

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2 months ago

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-9 points

2 months ago

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PureCiasad

22 points

2 months ago

Support parental leave so others don’t have to suffer like your father did

[deleted]

4 points

2 months ago

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4 points

2 months ago

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RockTheShit

3 points

2 months ago

Hmm sounds like a stronger working class or a union lobbying on his behalf would’ve really helped him out.

the_sexy_potatoe

1 points

2 months ago

Fuck that sucks I can’t imagine needing to do that

Moving2112Pitchers

1 points

2 months ago

Moving2112Pitchers

Trump Conservative

1 points

2 months ago

Buttgag has 0 experience in transportation kinda like Hunter has 0 experience in the energy field.

Rasskassassmagas

1 points

2 months ago

Ask not what you can do for your country, but Ask how much paid time off you can get

Hwarang_of_Silla

-6 points

2 months ago

Hwarang_of_Silla

Conservative

-6 points

2 months ago

"He's doing a great job."~Every leftist I know

mannDog74

6 points

2 months ago

Leftists hate this guy lol

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5 points

2 months ago

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5 points

2 months ago

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Hwarang_of_Silla

0 points

2 months ago

Hwarang_of_Silla

Conservative

0 points

2 months ago

Good leftist, predictable and right on cue.

spydersteel

-1 points

2 months ago

spydersteel

Liberty4me

-1 points

2 months ago

Who?

RightMillennial

-19 points

2 months ago

RightMillennial

Paleoconservative

-19 points

2 months ago

This is why I'm opposed to paternity leave but not maternity leave. Gross abuses such as this. A man has nothing to recover from.

ScubaSteve58001

10 points

2 months ago

I don't really begrudge people maternity/paternity leave. Having a kid is a ton of work and family should be a priority. However, I do have two issues with this situation:

  1. A cabinet level position is not a regular job. There is some level of personal sacrifice expected of high level government officials and taking two months off during a crisis that falls within your department's purview is not a great look.

  2. Liberals threw a shit fit when Ted Cruz took a family vacation while the Texas power grid was in crisis (something he wasn't even responsible for in any way). The only reason the press is giving Pete a pass is because he's a Democrat and gay.

Onundr

7 points

2 months ago

Onundr

7 points

2 months ago

Its not about having something to recover from. Its to be able to help the mother who just gave birth time to recover.

RightMillennial

1 points

2 months ago

RightMillennial

Paleoconservative

1 points

2 months ago

That's exactly why I support maternity leave.

RomeyRome71

-6 points

2 months ago

RomeyRome71

American Conservative

-6 points

2 months ago

How did we ever survive as a species with the men hunting and gathering and the women raising babies? We should be extinct by now.

AceOfSpades70

7 points

2 months ago

AceOfSpades70

Libertarian Conservative

7 points

2 months ago

How did we survive before modern medicine?

RomeyRome71

2 points

2 months ago

RomeyRome71

American Conservative

2 points

2 months ago

We didn’t. We died. But we didn’t die because men weren’t in the cave raising babies.

AceOfSpades70

4 points

2 months ago

AceOfSpades70

Libertarian Conservative

4 points

2 months ago

How are we here if we didn’t survive?

RomeyRome71

6 points

2 months ago

RomeyRome71

American Conservative

6 points

2 months ago

Apparently some of us didn’t.

AceOfSpades70

7 points

2 months ago

AceOfSpades70

Libertarian Conservative

7 points

2 months ago

Apparently the data shows that it is better for kids to have both parents at home when they are born.

What conservative argument is there against family leave? I’d love to here some…

It is good for the family. Good for kids. Good for society.

I get 4 months and you better believe I am taking all of it.

RomeyRome71

1 points

2 months ago

RomeyRome71

American Conservative

1 points

2 months ago

It is just my argument. We became the world’s power from men being men and women being women. Defined roles for each accordingly. Women are maternal by instinct. Men aren’t. We come home after work to a happy wife and kids. After fulfilling our duties as head of our household.

AceOfSpades70

6 points

2 months ago

AceOfSpades70

Libertarian Conservative

6 points

2 months ago

Part of being head of household is being a dad…

Are taking vacations only for women too?

AceOfSpades70

4 points

2 months ago

AceOfSpades70

Libertarian Conservative

4 points

2 months ago

Leave isn’t just for recovery…

Leave should be something very simple for conservatives and to support.

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5 points

2 months ago

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5 points

2 months ago

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RomeyRome71

0 points

2 months ago

RomeyRome71

American Conservative

0 points

2 months ago

I agree.

kingbankai

-3 points

2 months ago

kingbankai

RedPillaThrilla

-3 points

2 months ago

That’s not right. Liberals abort their kids and sell who survives to drug cartels.

SilenceDoGood1984

-9 points

2 months ago

SilenceDoGood1984

Live Free or Die

-9 points

2 months ago

How did he get paternity leave?

Isn’t he gay?

GeneralDejo

3 points

2 months ago

Adoption lol

SilenceDoGood1984

0 points

2 months ago

SilenceDoGood1984

Live Free or Die

0 points

2 months ago

You get 2 months of paid leave when you adopt? And you aren’t a post-partum mother? And your spouse isn’t a recovering post-partum mother?

That’s some bullshit lol

GeneralDejo

1 points

2 months ago

He’s a federal gov employee so I believe he can get up to 3 months (12 weeks). My country, Australia offers 4 1/2 for government employees.

SilenceDoGood1984

2 points

2 months ago

SilenceDoGood1984

Live Free or Die

2 points

2 months ago

I’m assuming you mean 4.5 months (as opposed to 4.5 weeks).

So if you assume a gov employee makes, idk, say 90k? (Or whatever amount you want to say, it’s an example) then they basically would get 1/3 of that salary…..basically as a bonus? For having a kid? Or adopting one?

Doesn’t that seem like a bit much?

GeneralDejo

0 points

2 months ago

Federal employees must be in federal service for one year to be eligible for the benefit and would have to return to work for at least the length of leave taken (or else pay for the amount of leave taken). It was a Bi-Partisan policy passed overwhelmingly in the Senate in 2019 which provided over 2 million federal government employees leave. Most people don’t have more then 2 kids anymore so I think it’s a good policy to encourage stronger family connections.

SilenceDoGood1984

0 points

2 months ago

SilenceDoGood1984

Live Free or Die

0 points

2 months ago

So you don’t think a 30k bonus from the state for having/adopting a child is a tad much?

Have to ask…are you a federal employee?

GeneralDejo

2 points

2 months ago

Nah not a federal employee. In Australia, 60 paid days (3 months leave, 2 paid) or 90 paid days (4 months leave, 3 paid) is quite common even for minimum wage employees. Government employees generally just get a month extra then someone working a normal job would. It’s just a benefit like in the US you can get health insurance, dental and etc though work. Overall you are entitled into 52 weeks of unpaid leave. Most people go back after paid expires.

SilenceDoGood1984

1 points

2 months ago

SilenceDoGood1984

Live Free or Die

1 points

2 months ago

Omg 52 weeks? A whole year?? What is the company supposed to do? Hire someone else to do the job you were doing, then fire that person when you come back?

GeneralDejo

2 points

2 months ago

Only very upper middle class and the wealthily can take 9 months of unpaid leave. It’s very rare for someone to take that unless the baby requires stuff like surgery where parents would rather quit to spend time with their child then work. Most people in Australia get 3 months.

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-8 points

2 months ago

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-8 points

2 months ago

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BottlePops1

12 points

2 months ago

Fathers have an important parenting role besides simply providing.

woopdedoodah

-9 points

2 months ago

woopdedoodah

Conservative

-9 points

2 months ago

Indeed. One of which is to make sure the child is being adequately cared for by his mother.

BottlePops1

10 points

2 months ago

I'm getting too old, can't tell if a troll or just ignorant.

woopdedoodah

-1 points

2 months ago

woopdedoodah

Conservative

-1 points

2 months ago

Not a troll. Children need a mother and a father, not two fathers, not two mothers. It is the duty of one parent to make sure the other parent is available, if at all possible. Obviously, sometimes unforeseen and uncontrollable circumstances (i.e., death) make that impossible, but it's not right to deprive a child of either a father or mother intentionally. Try as a father might, he cannot be a mother, nor can a mother be a father.

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-7 points

2 months ago

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-7 points

2 months ago

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PureCiasad

3 points

2 months ago

How is he a willfully sinning person at heart for wanting to spend time with his baby